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Previous | Next by pyrex 19 March, 2004 - 4:38 AM



3/19/2004 >> muhgcee

Hehe, that is pretty funny stuff.


3/19/2004 >> ben

apparently a briefing he gave about how much safer the world was - and especially the iraqi people - now that saddam hussein is gone aired on fox news WHILE the coverage of the latest bomb killing many and injuring more was on the right side of the screen...

via the daily show last night, but no video i can find yet


3/19/2004 >> muhgcee

sad and hilarious at the same time. And to think we were making fun of the Iraqi Information Minister for saying "The Americans are not in Iraq", standing about 2 blocks from an American invasion force.


3/19/2004 >> C Mo

People seriously think the Iraqi people were better off while Saddam was in power? Or think that they are not safer now?

Even the Iraqi people don't think that. Killing happens every day, and it's not the United States' or the UN's fault that people are bombing in Iraq to get us to leave.

It absolutely baffles me the complete inability the people of this country to deal with the consequences of even the most piddly war. Yeah, peace is great, but it just does not happen. There will always be war, and if this war took a person out of power who enjoyed torturing and killing his own citizens(which he did) then all the better.

Iraq is better off without their dictator, and their own people(many of which want all the UN's forces to leave) know it to be true.


3/19/2004 >> ralph

ben, i saw that last night as well and was laughing my ass off. I'd love to find a video clip of it.


3/19/2004 >> ben

this is more related... iraq on the record


3/19/2004 >> Casey

C Mo
People seriously think the Iraqi people were better off while Saddam was in power?

No they don't. People seriously think the American people were better off while Saddam was in power.


3/19/2004 >> macb103

The problem with government…
No one ever looks back on a “fallen government” and thinks wow they were great. I doubt the United States will be any different after it is gone.


3/19/2004 >> ben

are you saying that the fallen iraqi government was in any way shape or form good?


3/20/2004 >> macb103

I was saying that term like “good” and “bad” escape such circumstances.


3/21/2004 >> ben

i guess i'm not following...

are we operating under the monist belief that all judgements are arbitrary? or that a form of government is neither beneficial nor harmful to the people living under it? or what now?


3/21/2004 >> macb103

Well it wasn’t my intent to drudge up matters of metaphysics (hell to that extent I could say anything I wanted and find a way to back it up . . . lol) What I was referring to was, government is a manifestation of the people (most notably the people who take charge,) and is therefore imperfect. I don’t recall any government of the past that is generally though of as “good” rather they are all considered dishonorable establishments that alienated and took advantage of the masses to appease a select few. What I tried to imply when I said “The problem with government… No one ever looks back on a “fallen government” and thinks wow they were great. I doubt the United States will be any different after it is gone.” Moreover what I was trying to say was, I doubt after The United States has come and gone (and I don’t think I need to subscribe to metaphysics to be sure that this will happen) that few if any will regard the US as “good.” Most likely we will be seen by our one day descendants as tyrants; a people that alienated and took advantage of the masses to appease a select few. All government regardless of how it is executed has the same inherent problem; it is not possible for everyone to be happy at the same time. Whether it is a democracy and everyone compromises, communist/socialist and everyone is treated the same, or dictatorship/theocracy and decisions made for you. Now, I am not an anarchist, and I don’t pretend to have a solution, but it’s something I think about when we decided to alienate people to appease ourselves.


3/22/2004 >> ben

in some ways and shapes, i am an anarchist, or would be, rather, if i was shown that i could trust other people not to abuse that power and react in a sort of goldingesque (cf. lord of the flies) manner... i've seen or read this phrase in many places - people are stupid, a person is (or can be) smart. part of our evolution has been to follow a pack mentality, and as such, in regards to government, we have 3 kinds of people - leaders, followers, and those that neither follow nor lead.

backing up a moment and taking a side track on that, i am not saying that people don't follow those who are not trying to lead. some of our greatest leaders were not looking for followers when they started doing what they did - gandhi for one - people just kind of hooked on to what they were doing and said "groovy, that looks like a good idea". bank robbers, for another... anyways, back to the point...

i don't think that people are in a state yet to adequately to govern themselves, and that our current forms of government have at least enough checks and balances to keep us mostly at bay from wiping each other out until enough people are wise enough to live and prosper together in some sort of atlas shrugged utopian ideal...

but that's just me




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